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tired of the mundane passionless careers

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this orchestrated death based system of

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rule and the stranglehold on education

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entertainment by cold soulless

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corporations people yes we are

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frustrated yes we are tired and we

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reject the pre-approved tranquilizers

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that are Monday Night Football and a

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nice cold Budweiser we have to stop

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hiding stop hiding behind the headphone

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to the cherry popper 4/20 username let

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the world see that the resistance is

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strong and society is changing

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there was a time to be anonymous and

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that time has passed and so the higher

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side chats would like to present

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conspiracies as the dawning of this new

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paradigm

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the revolution because bold fashion

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should be more than summons celebrity

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lead dress for Atlanta sleeping fellow

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conspirators redefines film fashion as

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having the balls to reject socially

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uncomfortable and unpopular truths from

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the Iranian chest all bugging today it's

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appear to use dotnet let him know that

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you know bolt designs for trouble times

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what's happening higher side shatters

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and surveyors with a vast landscape that

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is the world wide web as always I'm Greg

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Carl wood and I thank you deeply for

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carving out a little place in the next

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hour of your reality to listen to THC

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amongst the infinite options especially

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with such finely tuned forms of

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distraction out there it's Borderlands 2

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and Dredd 3d the point is my

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appreciation for the sentiment privilege

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cannot be overstated today's guests on

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the higher side chats graduated magna

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established herself a career as a New

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York lawyer before taking an

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unconventional turn down the path of

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developing and harnessing her psychic

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ability now a trained psychic detective

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who works with law enforcement a

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spiritual medium Chandler energy healer

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remote viewer seer of auras and the

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author of my most recent undertaking

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psychic intuition everything you ever

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wanted to ask but we're afraid to know

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the force is strong with this one folks

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a self-proclaimed skeptical psychic

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Nancy doterra how are you ma'am

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oh the force is strong I'm good well

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your book psychic intuition it really

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did a lot to help me understand psychic

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ability and how it works because now it

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seems less like magic or some x-men

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ability and more like the idea that

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psychic ability is like channeling and

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remote viewing and stuff they're just

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kind of the sight smell touch and

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hearing of a well-tuned mind rather than

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the body would you say that's kind of a

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fair description yeah I mean that that's

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sort of the whole point of the book is

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to bring it to a level where you know

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start starting with point a you know for

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anybody who's not already somewhere like

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a somewhere higher up in the alphabet

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there start with point a and get

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everybody on board get

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everybody to understand that psychic

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ability as far as I'm concerned it is

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not magic it is an absolute natural

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physiological ability and you know I

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don't get into talking about the

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existence or lack of existence of you

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know paranormal phenomenon that that's

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understanding you know what sensory

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perception is yeah I mean that's yes

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what I took away from your book but it

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is interesting that you went down this

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path because most people was such a

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well-established and respected a bunch

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of achievements like Princeton and

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successful law practice in New York they

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like psychic ability so how did this

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but it was basically just effect to

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start working on this book which I

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book about the psychology of intuition

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and what I discovered was psychologists

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much they call it other things they call

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it empathy which to me is something

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really very different resonant empathy

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transference countertransference so they

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qualities of knowing things but then

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know it's some type you could imagine

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what it's like to emotionally connect

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with your client and therefore you can

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something like that but they don't

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that's when all of you know my research

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anyway in everybody who knew anything

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about intuition and that's how I started

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world and at a certain point I realized

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it's not like another intellectual topic

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where you can talk about it it just

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doesn't work that way

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you have to be inside it from an

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experience or point of view in order to

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know it and then you can talk about it

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apprenticed to a well-known psychic

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detective and I studied with a bunch of

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you know mediums and medical intuitive's

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and it turned out I had some ability so

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I really I you know the book is sort of

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all about you know if I can do it

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anybody can do it and that it is

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trainable we all have this ability

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weight we most of us lose it not

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everybody but most of us I was never

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aware that I ever had it and I think you

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know that sort of makes a difference in

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writing about it because I come from the

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other side of the fence sure you know so

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and understanding for skeptics I

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actually really enjoy skeptics because

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they're they're doing up to a point

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they're doing a it's a good service you

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should always question everything I

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agree and you know for the better part

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of this conversation I'd like to talk

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about some of the major criticisms of

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psychics and and hit him kind of head-on

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because I think a real lack of that is

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what leaves people on the fence and you

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know I kind of want to start with this

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because I was on the fence too and I

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really have to stay skeptical until I

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have some kind of personal experience

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with it but as I was reading your book

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my lovely girlfriend was watching Hell's

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Kitchen and Gordon Ramsay does this

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thing retest the chef's palette by

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blindfolding them and making them guess

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what they're tasting and these food

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experts are wrong like 70% of the time

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but nobody that was the sense of taste

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so maybe it is a bit unfair to hold

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psychic ability to a standard of eat see

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they're 100 percent accurate or 100

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percent [\h__\h] I mean would you say

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that's that's fair I like that analogy

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that's that's kind of funny actually I

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mean usually the one that people talk

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about is well you know doctors

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physicians who we hold up to these you

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know that they're like gods they're

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wrong a large percentage of the time I

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nobody really talks about it because

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they don't want to but they're not a

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hundred percent right and no snow

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psychic is ever a hundred percent right

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exactly the same reason that you know a

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physician isn't I mean you're dealing

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with yes you're dealing with facts but

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then you're dealing with this other you

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know editing quality of the human brain

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where you got to decide which facts are

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important and then you got to decide

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well what are those facts mean so you

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got to put together interpretation well

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in doing all of that there's a whole lot

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of room for going wrong even if you

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accurately picked out the right set of

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data to begin with exactly and I think

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traditional five senses it's easy to see

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and understand the tools of the body

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that you use for them you know ears eyes

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tongue but you can't really see psychic

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ability working so it makes it a little

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more difficult but how would you say how

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does the mind tap into such information

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is like a visual picture of something

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2,000 miles away or the message of a

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spirit or something like that if you're

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asking me what's the mechanism I can

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only give you speculation on it sure and

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you like to you well it was really

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interesting I mean in the beginning when

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any extraordinary you know sensing

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discounted them and you know what they

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were but other than that you know I'd

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say well if I'm supposed to like

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clairvoyantly see something well what

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the heck is that gonna look like to me

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what I realized is it doesn't

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necessarily look first of all you're not

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necessarily seeing it with your physical

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eyes that's the one that's really

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important and then I had always heard

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mediums you know saying well you know I

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see I see your grandfather standing you

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know behind your right shoulder and he's

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wearing a cap on his head or whatever

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and I thought that they were all

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literally seeing somebody there with

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their physical eyes and that's just not

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the case most of them aren't mm-hmm

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they're seeing with their third eye so

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eye is how do you explain that well the

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closest thing is call it your

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imagination right

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yeah in the book several times I mean I

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think that people have a tendency the

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word imagination is so loaded as as

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make-believe that it's really just yeah

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it's your mind's eye you know the things

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your you can visualize that aren't there

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anyone can do that I give you an example

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because things don't always pop up with

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the stunning clarity you know I've had

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situations and I described some of them

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in the book there was one time I was it

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was very early on I was just sort of

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experimenting and exploring this I was

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getting a massage at a hotel in Las

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Vegas okay so I didn't know that the

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woman who was doing the massage didn't

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speak with her and I get this

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crystal-clear image of it was like a

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photograph developing inside you know

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right in front of my mental screen and

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Holly you know like the shine green sort

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of emerald green leaves and the spiky

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I said oh that looks kind of like like

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Holly but what the heck why am I getting

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this image and it was clear as a bell

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and I thought all right well let me just

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experiment let me play with this and

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stop you know doing my automatic you

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know discounting and dismissal that's

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what most people do right and and so I I

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said to this woman when she was done we

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hadn't spoken a single word I said could

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I ask you a crazy question and she said

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okay and I said you know I got this this

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image of I think it's Holly now I don't

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know anybody named Holly it's not

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Christmastime around here it's a hundred

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and whatever was five degrees outside no

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reason I should be thinking of Holly but

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if for some reason I'm thinking it's

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associated with you and I don't know why

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and she said well before I started this

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session I was on the phone with my

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sister and she has a friend named Holly

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who got pregnant and we're all sort of

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concerned and whatever and that's all I

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was thinking about when I was working on

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you so that's an example of crystal

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clear you get other examples give you

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another one I was trying to deliver a

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it was a mediumship message for somebody

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and I was being asked for more what they

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call evidence when you're doing

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evidential mediumship of course so you

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know in addition to kind of identifying

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who the spirit is you know their their

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gender their age what they what they

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passed of and you know physical

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characteristics you have to give more

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than that

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in order to really lock it in so I said

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you know and so I go back into my sort

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of mental screen and there's really

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nothing in there it's almost like I'm

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looking on the inside of my in my

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eyeballs and I'm saying well this is

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really boring you know I'm seeing like

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gray shadows and you know stuff that you

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see when you close your eyes and

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eventually I I sort of gave my mind the

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freedom to sort of just allow these the

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gray shadows to kind of form and I

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thought I saw something that looked sort

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of vaguely like like a hand hmm and I

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thought okay well that's kind of boring

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you know I'm seeing a hand that doesn't

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particularly mean anything to me I don't

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know how to interpret that

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but the tips the fingertips were like

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these long gray sort of smoky trails

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because I'm seeing this on the inside of

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my eyeballs trying to make an

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interpretation it's very cloudy so what

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the heck is that

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somewhere in my my brain and this is

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where the interpretation piece kicks in

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and either you're good at it or you're

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not so good at it and I think you can

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get better I said there's something on

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the tips of her fingers what would that

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be and so when I delivered the evidence

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to this to the sitter the person who I

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was you know telling her about her the

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spirit that was there for her said you

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know this the spirit woman she's got

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something on the tips of her fingers to

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me I'm interpreting that almost like

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those you know like those in southern

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Asia they have those like little bells

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on their fingers that they tap when

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they're dancing yeah you know like that

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and I said I'm not sure that that's what

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it is but that sort of

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like this woman nearly fell over she

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said oh my god this woman the spirit who

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I was telling her about who we'd already

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identified when she was alive she used

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to it was her job to do to give shows

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with finger puppets whoa okay so you can

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get stuff and you say there is no

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possible way that could be right you

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know and it's not even that clear in

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your mind and you really it feels

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especially the beginning feels like

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you're making it up oh yeah I mean both

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those examples bring up you know another

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thing that I think critics focus on and

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I know is a big graer for me I guess

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it's still kind of is but how can you

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discern between random thoughts and

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actual information because I could say

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you know Nancy I'm spent I'm sensing

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your spirit guide I'm visualizing her

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she's a Scandinavian shot put her and

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wears a top hat and cape now I have that

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mental picture that came to me but I

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mean what does it mean nothing like how

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do we know which things are our visions

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and which things are just our

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imagination I guess for lack of a better

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term my thing is all about confirmation

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and feedback because without that you

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you are there is such a thing by the way

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it's just making it up right and wrong

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so you know it's not like I'm not one of

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those people who says oh yes absolutely

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a hundred percent of everything that

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comes out of your brain is going to be

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something not necessarily there's an

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awful lot of brain chatter in there and

390
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by doing by at least giving yourself

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permission to trust yourself to go into

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this this place of delivering

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information that you really don't

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believe is information yet but that's

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good you get you get through that hurdle

396
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but then you got to test it and you got

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to get feedback eventually what happens

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is through the feedback you start to

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learn the the subtleties of your brain

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chatter and of the things that feel a

401
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little bit more psychic or less psychic

402
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and for somebody who's learning it I

403
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don't think there's any other way to do

404
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it except by getting feedback all the

405
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time for me one thing I began to

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earn and and this is it's a really

407
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difficult thing to learn it took me

408
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years and years and years you start to

409
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the images that you get the true psychic

410
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ones they have a certain persistence

411
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they keep sort of coming back again and

412
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it's not like your brain is consciously

413
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thinking oh I'm gonna think this and

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make it come back it sort of comes back

415
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by itself and that's how I have grown to

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trust those particular images or

417
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feelings but even then you're not always

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a hundred percent gosh yeah and now I'm

419
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pretty cool with things like remote

420
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viewing and and seeing the future and

421
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stuff I definitely entertain the idea

422
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that information can be accessed from

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some type of collective unconscious but

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I have a real rough time with ghosts and

425
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spirits because it seems like the

426
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afterlife is just slamming doors

427
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rattling beds and waiting for a channel

428
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to tell your grandkids you love them but

429
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what are your thoughts on spirits and

430
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just life after death in general from

431
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the perspective of a channeler my

432
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feelings in general I have become really

433
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a believer in the in the afterlife

434
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and I have a much stronger faith in

435
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spirit than I ever did ever ever before

436
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and I think that I well I mean for in

437
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terms of seeing a ghost I was very that

438
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would sort of be the ultimate to sort of

439
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see instead of you know seeing through

440
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with the third eye but I've seen them

441
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all different which ways now and it's

442
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fantastic but it's almost as fantastic

443
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when you sense a spirit in the room with

444
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you in a really strong way or they they

445
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somehow managed to wake you up and you

446
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don't really know why and in your mind

447
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your imagination quote-unquote or your

448
00:19:02,270 --> 00:18:59,730
third eye is able to see exactly what

449
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they look like right down to the details

450
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the color the clothing

451
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no facial hair the style their height

452
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their weight all that stuff and you said

453
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yourself well that's interesting but

454
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I've got to be making it up but then you

455
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go and you check in a history book and

456
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you manage to get a photograph and you

457
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say holy cow Wow

458
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and it matches and at that point you say

459
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I don't need to see with my eyes

460
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although that really actually is a

461
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really cool thing you can you could

462
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smell them that's another thing I

463
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learned you can be touched by them I got

464
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basically just about lifted up off the

465
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ground by a spirit who I learned

466
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afterwards was they had been identified

467
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by other mediums as a very angry

468
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security guard who was guarding a

469
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courthouse door and I was messing around

470
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with my little my k2 meter I think I was

471
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running around the door and virtually

472
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got lifted off the floor by the scruff

473
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of my neck so you can feel it you could

474
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smell it see it hear it there all

475
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different ways and if you start to open

476
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your mind to those possibilities the

477
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experiences come to you if your mind is

478
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shut off to it they the experiences do

479
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not come to you it's it's very I don't

480
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know it's weird but that's how it it

481
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works like that I mean there's so many

482
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people have experiences that it's it's

483
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really tough to just discredit at all as

484
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you know as hokey but I mean it just

485
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seems weird like what is life what like

486
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for a spirit like it just seems kind of

487
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like they're stuck here without any way

488
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of communicating or without with very

489
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:00,830
little ways of communicating and they're

490
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just kind of walking around in our

491
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houses and stuff like what do you think

492
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life is like for spirit having

493
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communicated have you ever asked one no

494
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I never I never asked to spirit what

495
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it's like I think that my son my

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automatic assumption

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you know this is speculation again on my

498
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part I don't know but my assumption is

499
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that they're living inter-dimensionally

500
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and that they're sort of crossing a

501
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dimensional barrier from time to time

502
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mm-hm so that I I don't know that

503
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there's that there's I mean clearly

504
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there's sadness or anger associated with

505
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a bunch of you know earthbound spirits

506
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and and that you can you can feel it and

507
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you get it and you sense it and there's

508
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a certain obviously you know the the

509
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looping quality of certain behaviors

510
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that is a theme that comes up pretty

511
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often I actually was thinking about the

512
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idea that in same with you know

513
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something like past life regression

514
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where people just feel that they have

515
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this you know this past life I almost

516
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think that it says something about the

517
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nature of time that time could be you

518
00:22:16,810 --> 00:22:14,810
know we could we run a bunch of parallel

519
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universes and then once in a while they

520
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:19,190
kind of touch and you see this energy

521
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that was doing this activity at one

522
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point in history and for some reason it

523
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crosses onto this plane I've thought

524
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that but you think the there it's not

525
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necessarily like a movie playing they're

526
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conscious beings some of them aren't

527
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some of them aren't really yeah some of

528
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them are just like movie images and I do

529
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think it's like you know you're bumping

530
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into almost like this inanimate thing

531
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I've actually I knew somebody who worked

532
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in a it was a haunted castle and there

533
00:23:01,510 --> 00:23:00,110
was a particular room my thinking this

534
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:01,520
maybe it wasn't in the castle with some

535
00:23:07,180 --> 00:23:02,930
other place but there there was a room

536
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in in this place where there was one of

537
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these types of spirits that would just

538
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walk from one end of the room to the

539
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other back and forth and back and forth

540
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and it didn't matter if you were

541
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standing there if you were talking to

542
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them nothing

543
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because they would just perform whatever

544
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this you know recidivist extinct was the

545
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,630
this action or behavior over and over

546
00:23:31,810 --> 00:23:31,520
again although he told me that I'm

547
00:23:35,530 --> 00:23:31,820
wanting

548
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:35,540
occasion he decided to that this guy

549
00:23:40,510 --> 00:23:37,760
that I knew he decided to stand directly

550
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:40,520
in front of the spirit on its pathway

551
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:43,970
and he even this was this was not an

552
00:23:50,530 --> 00:23:47,570
interactive spirit at all this spirit

553
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:50,540
apparently sidestepped him weird around

554
00:24:00,240 --> 00:23:56,210
him so there's some you know sensing or

555
00:24:03,730 --> 00:24:00,250
awareness on the part of the spirits of

556
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:03,740
our dimension even though I don't know

557
00:24:08,020 --> 00:24:05,840
that there at you know a hundred percent

558
00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:08,030
into our dimension I I frankly I don't

559
00:24:18,100 --> 00:24:16,370
think so but also you know a lot of you

560
00:24:21,610 --> 00:24:18,110
spend a lot of time in the book talking

561
00:24:25,780 --> 00:24:21,620
about you know language and just all

562
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:25,790
these ideas people have about about life

563
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:27,050
they kind of keep them from

564
00:24:31,420 --> 00:24:29,330
understanding psychic ability and

565
00:24:33,340 --> 00:24:31,430
something that a lot of my favorite

566
00:24:36,010 --> 00:24:33,350
musicians and comics have commented on

567
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:36,020
is this idea that their most creative

568
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:38,000
and brilliant moments they feel like a

569
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:40,010
receiver of thoughts rather than the

570
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:41,810
thinker of thoughts sort of along the

571
00:24:47,290 --> 00:24:45,410
lines of the muse concept but um how is

572
00:24:49,780 --> 00:24:47,300
your psychic development shaped your

573
00:24:51,370 --> 00:24:49,790
opinions on just thoughts in general

574
00:24:56,050 --> 00:24:51,380
like is every man in island or are we

575
00:24:59,770 --> 00:24:56,060
pulling from some cloud data uh well you

576
00:25:02,710 --> 00:24:59,780
know my answer to that I we all like to

577
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:02,720
think that were Islands and you know in

578
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,530
the was 400 years of empirical thinking

579
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:08,480
we all assumed that we're Islands that

580
00:25:13,450 --> 00:25:10,640
you can't get into another person's head

581
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:13,460
you can't be them in any sense

582
00:25:19,450 --> 00:25:16,970
and I might clear understanding those

583
00:25:21,940 --> 00:25:19,460
that's not a percent wrong that we are

584
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:21,950
you know it's it sounds like a cliche

585
00:25:26,530 --> 00:25:23,690
these days because every bases are we're

586
00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:26,540
so we're interconnected why yes we're

587
00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:30,310
absolutely interconnected and if you

588
00:25:39,900 --> 00:25:34,310
look at us in and there's the sense of

589
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:39,910
energy all of our energies overlap and

590
00:25:45,580 --> 00:25:42,770
the thoughts that we have the emotions

591
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:45,590
that we have generate different

592
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:47,930
energy and I don't know that it's

593
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:49,850
necessary electromagnetic buts but

594
00:25:56,260 --> 00:25:54,050
energy patterns that change the other

595
00:25:58,420 --> 00:25:56,270
energies in the environment around them

596
00:26:03,250 --> 00:25:58,430
which would be other people so we all

597
00:26:07,410 --> 00:26:03,260
affect each other we all can we're all

598
00:26:09,820 --> 00:26:07,420
receivers and givers of vibrational data

599
00:26:13,690 --> 00:26:09,830
which is why people can read each

600
00:26:18,550 --> 00:26:13,700
other's minds it's not so shocking it's

601
00:26:21,730 --> 00:26:18,560
also why you can do energy healing work

602
00:26:24,190 --> 00:26:21,740
and and it's and have a very absolutely

603
00:26:26,260 --> 00:26:24,200
real effect on somebody yeah how does

604
00:26:28,570 --> 00:26:26,270
energy healing work because I one time I

605
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:28,580
went to a Reiki Master just to kind of

606
00:26:32,590 --> 00:26:31,130
you know test the waters with this

607
00:26:34,660 --> 00:26:32,600
because I've been told oh you know

608
00:26:37,860 --> 00:26:34,670
you're gonna feel amazing you know it's

609
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:37,870
it's the best thing ever for you and I

610
00:26:41,770 --> 00:26:40,370
ended up falling asleep and then I woke

611
00:26:46,210 --> 00:26:41,780
up when it was over and I was like I

612
00:26:49,060 --> 00:26:46,220
mean I guess I feel rested but what how

613
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:49,070
does energy healing work and and what

614
00:26:53,770 --> 00:26:51,850
kind of experiences have you had with it

615
00:26:57,010 --> 00:26:53,780
okay well the only thing I could say is

616
00:26:58,900 --> 00:26:57,020
I'm not trained in any form of energy

617
00:27:03,880 --> 00:26:58,910
healing what I've done is is a hundred

618
00:27:06,220 --> 00:27:03,890
percent natural I've been told that you

619
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:06,230
know by different people because I just

620
00:27:10,150 --> 00:27:07,970
sort of experiment with it I have such a

621
00:27:13,410 --> 00:27:10,160
hard time believing that it actually

622
00:27:18,130 --> 00:27:13,420
works I'm just constantly constantly

623
00:27:20,380 --> 00:27:18,140
sort of in awe so I think I'm surprised

624
00:27:25,180 --> 00:27:20,390
that most people I work on frankly this

625
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:25,190
is weird but people have told me well I

626
00:27:29,140 --> 00:27:27,290
never when I work on somebody I mean

627
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:29,150
it's sort of similar to Reiki I think

628
00:27:33,550 --> 00:27:31,910
although I I think the underlying you

629
00:27:36,940 --> 00:27:33,560
know what I'm doing is actually very

630
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:36,950
different but I never touch I usually I

631
00:27:44,860 --> 00:27:39,770
keep my hands roughly 5 inches above the

632
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:44,870
surface of the skin and I am doing a few

633
00:27:50,350 --> 00:27:47,330
things I'm feeling for the site of the

634
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:50,360
injury or the disease or the the problem

635
00:27:57,820 --> 00:27:53,690
whatever it is and like once I feel I've

636
00:28:03,159 --> 00:27:57,830
located it then I work on

637
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:03,169
for me it's a form of re-educating that

638
00:28:06,669 --> 00:28:04,970
person's energy so I'm not doing

639
00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:06,679
anything I'm not a person trying to suck

640
00:28:10,570 --> 00:28:08,630
out you know the bad stuff I'm not

641
00:28:12,159 --> 00:28:10,580
trying to pump in you know the good

642
00:28:15,580 --> 00:28:12,169
stuff I'm not doing any of that I'm

643
00:28:17,890 --> 00:28:15,590
reacting so that it's very important

644
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:17,900
that the person not fall asleep you

645
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:19,130
might want to remember that for the next

646
00:28:26,590 --> 00:28:21,919
time because your energy has to

647
00:28:29,950 --> 00:28:26,600
participate in its own healing gotcha so

648
00:28:33,370 --> 00:28:29,960
so people have told me they've gotten

649
00:28:35,890 --> 00:28:33,380
like very large electrical shocks and

650
00:28:37,810 --> 00:28:35,900
I'm nowhere near them people feel

651
00:28:40,029 --> 00:28:37,820
sometimes that I'm actually on their

652
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:40,039
skin touching their skin I'm nowhere

653
00:28:45,159 --> 00:28:43,370
near them touching that there's usually

654
00:28:47,980 --> 00:28:45,169
almost everybody tells me that they feel

655
00:28:51,549 --> 00:28:47,990
heat sometimes cold sometimes like

656
00:28:54,909 --> 00:28:51,559
little tiny shocks or little like pin

657
00:28:58,899 --> 00:28:54,919
pricks there's usually a sense of a

658
00:29:00,669 --> 00:28:58,909
magnetic feeling it's really different

659
00:29:04,590 --> 00:29:00,679
depending on the person and also the

660
00:29:07,330 --> 00:29:04,600
type of injury or problem that they have

661
00:29:10,779 --> 00:29:07,340
but it's it's very strange and an almost

662
00:29:14,490 --> 00:29:10,789
everybody tells me that they actually do

663
00:29:18,370 --> 00:29:14,500
actually feel better now whether the

664
00:29:20,409 --> 00:29:18,380
sensation you know is something

665
00:29:22,299 --> 00:29:20,419
long-lasting I think it depends on each

666
00:29:23,470 --> 00:29:22,309
person and and I don't get to stick

667
00:29:25,810 --> 00:29:23,480
around long enough to get enough

668
00:29:27,390 --> 00:29:25,820
feedback for most people but I do know

669
00:29:30,370 --> 00:29:27,400
that in at least in the short term

670
00:29:32,830 --> 00:29:30,380
almost everybody that I deal with is

671
00:29:36,010 --> 00:29:32,840
kind of surprised they feel better and

672
00:29:37,810 --> 00:29:36,020
it every time I'm doing that I'm saying

673
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:37,820
to myself because I'm always skeptical

674
00:29:43,390 --> 00:29:40,130
is that like a placebo thing going on or

675
00:29:46,330 --> 00:29:43,400
what but the fact that they feel things

676
00:29:48,820 --> 00:29:46,340
and and usually when they are having a

677
00:29:53,230 --> 00:29:48,830
sensation I will have almost the

678
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:53,240
identical sensation in my hand yeah it's

679
00:29:56,740 --> 00:29:54,890
very interesting how it works so there's

680
00:29:59,080 --> 00:29:56,750
a merging of energies that goes on at

681
00:30:01,240 --> 00:29:59,090
some point well you bring up the placebo

682
00:30:02,620 --> 00:30:01,250
effect and that was going to be my

683
00:30:06,130 --> 00:30:02,630
comment is something that a lot of

684
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,140
people use to dismiss the whole field of

685
00:30:10,180 --> 00:30:08,960
psychic abilities in general but I take

686
00:30:11,289 --> 00:30:10,190
a different approach to the placebo

687
00:30:15,220 --> 00:30:11,299
effect because it's si

688
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:15,230
like if you know people entertain the

689
00:30:18,399 --> 00:30:16,730
idea that you can will something to

690
00:30:20,229 --> 00:30:18,409
happen and that's really what the

691
00:30:23,639 --> 00:30:20,239
placebo effect seems to be it's almost

692
00:30:26,169 --> 00:30:23,649
like a catalyst to doing the real work

693
00:30:28,029 --> 00:30:26,179
yourself your mind just feels like it

694
00:30:29,710 --> 00:30:28,039
can do it so it does it I almost think

695
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:29,720
the same about energy healing like if

696
00:30:35,139 --> 00:30:31,850
you put the faith that you're being

697
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:35,149
healed it's really just a way to

698
00:30:39,129 --> 00:30:37,970
manifest in third dimension reality when

699
00:30:41,109 --> 00:30:39,139
really you're kind of doing it yourself

700
00:30:43,629 --> 00:30:41,119
because people seem to have the ability

701
00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:43,639
to to do that themselves it's just not

702
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:45,529
something that our society appreciates

703
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,159
or wants to focus on it first of all you

704
00:30:57,700 --> 00:30:54,559
tell me one person who has figured out

705
00:31:01,060 --> 00:30:57,710
what causes the placebo effect right

706
00:31:03,340 --> 00:31:01,070
yeah it's oh nobody knows nobody knows

707
00:31:05,769 --> 00:31:03,350
what spontaneous remission is or

708
00:31:09,639 --> 00:31:05,779
spontaneous healing it happens people

709
00:31:11,139 --> 00:31:09,649
don't know why so there's no reason you

710
00:31:13,299 --> 00:31:11,149
know we don't discount a placebo effect

711
00:31:16,229 --> 00:31:13,309
or there's no reason to discount a you

712
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:16,239
know an energy healing effect either and

713
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:21,769
ultimately who cares doing it or the

714
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:23,809
other person doing it or if you can't

715
00:31:28,830 --> 00:31:26,570
really identify them you know because

716
00:31:31,899 --> 00:31:28,840
they're merged in terms of the energies

717
00:31:33,399 --> 00:31:31,909
fine that you know I I just don't have a

718
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:33,409
problem with that at all but you know

719
00:31:37,539 --> 00:31:34,850
let's just take a look at it because

720
00:31:39,580 --> 00:31:37,549
whatever it is it seems to work right I

721
00:31:42,159 --> 00:31:39,590
mean the placebo effect should really be

722
00:31:45,970 --> 00:31:42,169
some type of validation to a skeptic

723
00:31:48,369 --> 00:31:45,980
that that the world is not as cut and

724
00:31:50,919 --> 00:31:48,379
dry and scientifically rigid as you want

725
00:31:53,109 --> 00:31:50,929
it to be because you got to admit that

726
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:53,119
the placebo effect exists you can give

727
00:31:58,899 --> 00:31:56,690
ten people in a study of a sugar pill

728
00:32:00,249 --> 00:31:58,909
and then ten people a medicine and some

729
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,259
of those people got a sugar pill will

730
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:02,480
get better that's something that you

731
00:32:08,979 --> 00:32:05,330
can't just write off there's clearly

732
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:08,989
something happening there yeah and also

733
00:32:14,289 --> 00:32:10,850
sometimes you know when I've worked on

734
00:32:16,869 --> 00:32:14,299
people and obviously I'm nowhere near

735
00:32:19,299 --> 00:32:16,879
there their skin or their body and but

736
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:19,309
I'm working on them I've had people like

737
00:32:24,580 --> 00:32:22,609
jump they they jump up and they scream

738
00:32:25,060 --> 00:32:24,590
sometimes this oh my god what Thackery's

739
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:25,070
I have

740
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:33,999
tendons moving under their skin strange

741
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:35,600
stuff that you wouldn't normally say oh

742
00:32:41,049 --> 00:32:37,850
well that's sort of an imaginary placebo

743
00:32:43,659 --> 00:32:41,059
type thing yeah there it seems to be

744
00:32:45,610 --> 00:32:43,669
something beyond that and whatever it is

745
00:32:48,850 --> 00:32:45,620
it's beyond that it's really worth

746
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:48,860
taking a look at agreed what are some of

747
00:32:52,330 --> 00:32:50,809
the more powerful or strange experiences

748
00:32:56,169 --> 00:32:52,340
that you've actually had personally with

749
00:32:57,940 --> 00:32:56,179
this with which I've had a lot of

750
00:33:00,999 --> 00:32:57,950
strangers I guess the whole field of

751
00:33:07,149 --> 00:33:01,009
psychic ability which experiences stand

752
00:33:11,169 --> 00:33:07,159
out to you as the most strange I there

753
00:33:14,289 --> 00:33:11,179
are a few things there things that have

754
00:33:16,749 --> 00:33:14,299
gone on environmentally and things that

755
00:33:18,639 --> 00:33:16,759
have gone on within me and I think I

756
00:33:20,529 --> 00:33:18,649
talked about you know in the book

757
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:20,539
psychic intuition I think I do talk

758
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,250
about some experiences early on that I

759
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:27,919
had where I was quite accurate when it

760
00:33:35,769 --> 00:33:33,200
came to having information about some a

761
00:33:39,999 --> 00:33:35,779
person who had ended up he'd killed

762
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:40,009
himself and I was so shocked by my own

763
00:33:45,940 --> 00:33:43,519
accuracy because I again being sort of

764
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:45,950
skeptical I just never assumed that you

765
00:33:52,299 --> 00:33:48,559
could get information like that or be

766
00:33:55,629 --> 00:33:52,309
anywhere near that accurate and I felt

767
00:33:57,220 --> 00:33:55,639
really spooky to myself mm-hmm so I

768
00:33:59,499 --> 00:33:57,230
think that that feeling of feeling

769
00:34:02,769 --> 00:33:59,509
spooky to yourself is sort of what stops

770
00:34:04,629 --> 00:34:02,779
a lot of people it's it's kind of a

771
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:04,639
weird and creepy feeling and it takes a

772
00:34:10,030 --> 00:34:06,080
while to get used to so that's more of

773
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:10,040
an internal thing in terms of externally

774
00:34:13,569 --> 00:34:11,359
what what I think had been some of the

775
00:34:17,710 --> 00:34:13,579
weirdest I mean I think one of the

776
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:17,720
strangest experiences I had was when I

777
00:34:24,309 --> 00:34:20,000
was doing a it was a paranormal

778
00:34:29,859 --> 00:34:24,319
investigation of this castle in Wales

779
00:34:31,690 --> 00:34:29,869
and they had a a medium there I hadn't

780
00:34:34,659 --> 00:34:31,700
really decided that you know this was

781
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:34,669
anything that I did it was I was

782
00:34:38,919 --> 00:34:37,040
interested but didn't do it so I was not

783
00:34:43,299 --> 00:34:38,929
you know out there being a

784
00:34:44,649 --> 00:34:43,309
medium at that point and they decided

785
00:34:46,329 --> 00:34:44,659
they said okay we're all going to do

786
00:34:50,849 --> 00:34:46,339
table tipping and I didn't know what

787
00:34:54,010 --> 00:34:50,859
that was but we all went this was annex

788
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,020
I think died that they knew of in this

789
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:57,040
castle plus it wasn't converted from a

790
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:00,079
it was a tuberculosis Hospital for a

791
00:35:06,460 --> 00:35:02,089
while the for kids a lot of kids had

792
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:06,470
died there but anyway we go into the

793
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:10,010
basement and they're about six of us

794
00:35:14,799 --> 00:35:12,170
sitting around this this fairly heavy

795
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:14,809
wooden round table all of our hands

796
00:35:18,309 --> 00:35:16,130
we're told we've got to put them on the

797
00:35:20,020 --> 00:35:18,319
top of the table so you can't hook your

798
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:20,030
thumbs under you know once that

799
00:35:23,650 --> 00:35:21,170
everybody's got to see each other's

800
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:23,660
hands you were so tight around the table

801
00:35:30,250 --> 00:35:28,160
you can feel a neighbor's knees and they

802
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:30,260
put a little tea candle in the center

803
00:35:36,609 --> 00:35:33,490
and I'm sitting next to the medium and

804
00:35:42,010 --> 00:35:36,619
she's you know sort of invoking the the

805
00:35:44,530 --> 00:35:42,020
spirits or whatever and the table all of

806
00:35:48,730 --> 00:35:44,540
a sudden on the cement on a cement floor

807
00:35:51,309 --> 00:35:48,740
it jumps and simultaneously twist

808
00:35:55,780 --> 00:35:51,319
counterclockwise and I would say it

809
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:55,790
jumps maybe five or six inches flips me

810
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,089
out

811
00:36:02,770 --> 00:35:58,640
and so I scream I think the woman next

812
00:36:04,539 --> 00:36:02,780
to me screamed and we get yelled at by

813
00:36:06,130 --> 00:36:04,549
the the leader of this group but he says

814
00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:06,140
you know if you can't keep it under

815
00:36:10,180 --> 00:36:07,369
control then you have to leave because

816
00:36:12,849 --> 00:36:10,190
you know this is serious stuff but okay

817
00:36:14,530 --> 00:36:12,859
okay and I decided no matter how scared

818
00:36:17,289 --> 00:36:14,540
I was I wasn't gonna you know at that

819
00:36:20,980 --> 00:36:17,299
point it didn't keep really buttoned up

820
00:36:22,780 --> 00:36:20,990
so the the table continued to jump and

821
00:36:25,809 --> 00:36:22,790
twist and jump in twist it did this

822
00:36:28,569 --> 00:36:25,819
maybe I don't know five six times maybe

823
00:36:31,210 --> 00:36:28,579
more than that and then at a certain

824
00:36:33,549 --> 00:36:31,220
point and the lead investigator got so

825
00:36:36,010 --> 00:36:33,559
excited he told every stop he brought

826
00:36:38,410 --> 00:36:36,020
down the other team and they put these

827
00:36:40,510 --> 00:36:38,420
EMF meters they had three EMF meters

828
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:40,520
that they put sort of equidistantly

829
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:43,010
around you know the the people sitting

830
00:36:47,770 --> 00:36:45,200
at the table so there's one in between

831
00:36:51,130 --> 00:36:47,780
me and the medium and then you know the

832
00:36:52,780 --> 00:36:51,140
other two places on the other side so we

833
00:36:54,570 --> 00:36:52,790
go back we go back into the sort

834
00:36:56,860 --> 00:36:54,580
Semmy translate and all of a sudden the

835
00:36:58,210 --> 00:36:56,870
with everybody's hands on the tables and

836
00:37:02,320 --> 00:36:58,220
I can feel their knees and nobody's

837
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:02,330
lifting any the table floats up roughly

838
00:37:09,780 --> 00:37:06,290
I'm gonna say about a foot and a half so

839
00:37:12,910 --> 00:37:09,790
the table is above my head and it's

840
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:12,920
higher on my side than it is on the

841
00:37:18,940 --> 00:37:16,850
other side it's uneven and I'm saying to

842
00:37:21,850 --> 00:37:18,950
myself this is got to be the strangest

843
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:21,860
thing I've ever seen me the people

844
00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:25,040
standing who were not actually seated at

845
00:37:30,910 --> 00:37:28,790
the table they said later they had they

846
00:37:33,580 --> 00:37:30,920
said did anybody see the huge flash of

847
00:37:36,850 --> 00:37:33,590
white light that went off over the tops

848
00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:36,860
of your heads and over the table and of

849
00:37:41,380 --> 00:37:38,540
course none of us had seen it they all

850
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:41,390
saw it though and they said it imploded

851
00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:44,510
and then went zooming off into the

852
00:37:51,550 --> 00:37:47,390
corner of the room at any rate this

853
00:37:54,730 --> 00:37:51,560
table it floats back down like it's on

854
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:54,740
clouds you know this would have been a

855
00:38:00,510 --> 00:37:56,720
really really really hard thing to stage

856
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:00,520
and there were no strings there were no

857
00:38:06,670 --> 00:38:04,160
no magnets no this just nothing and I

858
00:38:10,450 --> 00:38:06,680
felt somebody moving something

859
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:10,460
underneath the table if they had been

860
00:38:15,010 --> 00:38:12,530
and everybody clearly had their hands on

861
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:15,020
the table and no one was near enough to

862
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:16,250
the table that they could have done

863
00:38:20,830 --> 00:38:18,410
anything that is so strange

864
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:20,840
what do you think like I mean I know

865
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:23,210
it's kind of tough to to explain the

866
00:38:26,410 --> 00:38:24,800
mechanism of course it's like trying to

867
00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:26,420
explain how smell works just someone

868
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:29,150
with no nose but what do you think is

869
00:38:36,130 --> 00:38:33,200
happening there well I can tell you that

870
00:38:41,230 --> 00:38:36,140
I realized at a certain point when this

871
00:38:44,290 --> 00:38:41,240
was happening that I would know about I

872
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:44,300
don't know maybe 10 seconds before the

873
00:38:49,780 --> 00:38:47,570
table was gonna jump the way that I knew

874
00:38:51,940 --> 00:38:49,790
this was because and I described this as

875
00:38:53,860 --> 00:38:51,950
almost like having a like a temporary

876
00:38:55,630 --> 00:38:53,870
Brown you know like an electrical Brown

877
00:38:57,610 --> 00:38:55,640
out you know the electricity doesn't

878
00:39:00,430 --> 00:38:57,620
totally go to go off like in a blackout

879
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:00,440
but it sort of dims out my brain dimmed

880
00:39:06,730 --> 00:39:03,290
out and my sight dimmed out and so every

881
00:39:08,830 --> 00:39:06,740
time it would dim out I knew oh

882
00:39:12,460 --> 00:39:08,840
Abell is about to move so I am

883
00:39:13,210 --> 00:39:12,470
absolutely convinced that it was spirit

884
00:39:15,220 --> 00:39:13,220
activity

885
00:39:16,750 --> 00:39:15,230
it was certainly using my energy was

886
00:39:18,730 --> 00:39:16,760
probably using other people's but I know

887
00:39:22,990 --> 00:39:18,740
it was using mine because I never had

888
00:39:26,380 --> 00:39:23,000
that experience before to manifest in in

889
00:39:30,580 --> 00:39:26,390
our physical world also interestingly of

890
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:30,590
all of the EMF meters the one that there

891
00:39:34,990 --> 00:39:32,810
was only one that was active during this

892
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:35,000
whole set time and it was one between me

893
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:37,250
and the medium that had a very high EMF

894
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:41,530
reading and the others were at zero hmm

895
00:39:45,850 --> 00:39:44,240
that's that's an interesting story you

896
00:39:47,859 --> 00:39:45,860
know I mean I'm always fascinated by

897
00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:47,869
that stuff I'm dying to have a personal

898
00:39:53,230 --> 00:39:51,110
experience of some type you know what

899
00:39:54,970 --> 00:39:53,240
are your thoughts on things like on time

900
00:40:03,190 --> 00:39:54,980
and things like fortune-telling and

901
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:03,200
tarot cards and future prophecy yeah you

902
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,480
know I I have a deck of cards every once

903
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:10,880
in a while I will because I really don't

904
00:40:15,070 --> 00:40:13,490
know how to do cards and I have a vague

905
00:40:21,010 --> 00:40:15,080
idea what the things are supposed to

906
00:40:24,190 --> 00:40:21,020
mean but I don't really use them in fact

907
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:24,200
I have said to people you know friends

908
00:40:30,190 --> 00:40:25,970
and colleagues of mine who do use them

909
00:40:33,370 --> 00:40:30,200
why did why do you bother I mean as far

910
00:40:34,660 --> 00:40:33,380
as I'm going to just tools yeah you know

911
00:40:37,630 --> 00:40:34,670
you don't need them you could get the

912
00:40:38,260 --> 00:40:37,640
messages directly I just try and get

913
00:40:41,710 --> 00:40:38,270
them directly

914
00:40:43,570 --> 00:40:41,720
I mean I I kind of agree I think that I

915
00:40:45,460 --> 00:40:43,580
kind of think the way it works is if you

916
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:45,470
allow if you get you can do it with

917
00:40:48,849 --> 00:40:46,730
anything I think but if you give

918
00:40:49,540 --> 00:40:48,859
yourself a framework to speak with the

919
00:40:54,010 --> 00:40:49,550
universe

920
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:54,020
keeps throwing out the number 42 to you

921
00:40:57,580 --> 00:40:55,520
and you start to say okay when I see

922
00:40:59,980 --> 00:40:57,590
that that means something you've just

923
00:41:01,180 --> 00:40:59,990
given the universe is okay well then if

924
00:41:02,410 --> 00:41:01,190
you're gonna if you're gonna operate

925
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:02,420
like that I know how and when to

926
00:41:06,010 --> 00:41:03,770
communicate with you I kind of think

927
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:06,020
that tarot cards are like you know just

928
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:09,290
certain pictures have symbolic meanings

929
00:41:13,870 --> 00:41:11,930
and you kind of allow the universe to

930
00:41:18,220 --> 00:41:13,880
talk to you a little bit if that makes

931
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:18,230
sense that's kind of how I take it yeah

932
00:41:22,530 --> 00:41:20,450
you know I it's a little

933
00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:22,540
of a combination I do think that somehow

934
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:26,660
there there are probably energies that

935
00:41:34,319 --> 00:41:31,250
will enable certain cards to I'm not

936
00:41:40,690 --> 00:41:34,329
gonna say manifest but to be available

937
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:40,700
okay to be pulled in the same way that

938
00:41:46,270 --> 00:41:43,280
you know with if you're doing paranormal

939
00:41:48,839 --> 00:41:46,280
investigations Frank's boxes you know

940
00:41:51,550 --> 00:41:48,849
the using the radio frequencies

941
00:41:53,290 --> 00:41:51,560
you know it'll go back and forth sort of

942
00:41:55,690 --> 00:41:53,300
scanning but everyone's my little pick

943
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:55,700
up a like a string of words that will be

944
00:42:02,920 --> 00:41:57,170
extremely meaningful it's sort of the

945
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:02,930
same thing you're you're giving their

946
00:42:12,730 --> 00:42:08,530
tools to allow spirit to manifest using

947
00:42:15,970 --> 00:42:12,740
certain either sounds or cards or

948
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:15,980
information but you can do exactly the

949
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:18,890
same thing with your brain well you have

950
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:20,890
a lot of psychic exercises in the book

951
00:42:25,390 --> 00:42:23,570
which ones do you think would be most

952
00:42:27,370 --> 00:42:25,400
effective and jump-starting someone's

953
00:42:32,170 --> 00:42:27,380
mental aptitude who wanted to give it a

954
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:32,180
try you know I teach this in the New

955
00:42:37,630 --> 00:42:35,290
York area and I started out originally

956
00:42:40,059 --> 00:42:37,640
thinking I had to start from you know

957
00:42:42,130 --> 00:42:40,069
kind of like a I was still thinking very

958
00:42:44,410 --> 00:42:42,140
academically I got a straight from point

959
00:42:46,030 --> 00:42:44,420
A and you know we've got to serve the

960
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:46,040
easy stuff and I'll eventually get up

961
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:47,359
and eventually we'll get to this you

962
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:50,690
know the mediumship stuff which is you

963
00:42:56,349 --> 00:42:54,650
know the most complex I suppose in sort

964
00:42:58,420 --> 00:42:56,359
of dealing with the spirit energy and

965
00:42:59,770 --> 00:42:58,430
that kind of stuff eventually I realized

966
00:43:02,470 --> 00:42:59,780
now I don't have to do that

967
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:02,480
I can teach any anything at any point it

968
00:43:05,650 --> 00:43:04,250
doesn't really matter just as long as

969
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:05,660
somebody has a willingness to jump right

970
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:09,650
in both feet in I could start you off

971
00:43:13,319 --> 00:43:12,170
with with mediumship to try and tune in

972
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:13,329
or I could start you off with

973
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:16,970
psychometry or something really simple

974
00:43:24,940 --> 00:43:20,560
just in terms of trying to feel energies

975
00:43:27,550 --> 00:43:24,950
but the whole idea is jump in don't be

976
00:43:29,710 --> 00:43:27,560
afraid with whatever answer you come up

977
00:43:32,109 --> 00:43:29,720
with and don't be afraid of the answer

978
00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:32,119
whether you were right or wrong to me

979
00:43:34,210 --> 00:43:33,710
that was always terrifying I hate being

980
00:43:39,550 --> 00:43:34,220
wrong

981
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,560
I can see that but it's okay yeah and

982
00:43:43,780 --> 00:43:41,359
you gotta be wrong in order to learn

983
00:43:46,990 --> 00:43:43,790
nothing is 100 percent even the even the

984
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:47,000
senses that we we know and love they're

985
00:43:51,339 --> 00:43:48,710
not a hundred percent and it does seem

986
00:43:52,990 --> 00:43:51,349
kind of silly for for you know a left

987
00:43:55,089 --> 00:43:53,000
brain scientific person to be like oh

988
00:43:57,849 --> 00:43:55,099
all that psychic stuff is [\h__\h]

989
00:44:00,190 --> 00:43:57,859
because you know it's just such a big

990
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:00,200
gray area and it can't be verified when

991
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:02,090
you're your own senses that you do put

992
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:03,530
your full stock and for your human

993
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:05,680
experience are so limiting and

994
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:09,530
oftentimes misleading and you know it's

995
00:44:13,060 --> 00:44:11,450
all that that seems even more silly to

996
00:44:15,010 --> 00:44:13,070
be like well only these tools that are

997
00:44:18,190 --> 00:44:15,020
that I know are inaccurate are the ones

998
00:44:24,820 --> 00:44:18,200
that I believe in you know it's kind of

999
00:44:27,370 --> 00:44:24,830
like the idea that as humans we all you

1000
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:27,380
know if we look at like a red barn that

1001
00:44:33,790 --> 00:44:29,810
we all somehow believe that we're seeing

1002
00:44:35,890 --> 00:44:33,800
the same color red and the answer is no

1003
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:35,900
it not only did we not see the same

1004
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:38,960
shade of red we don't see the similar

1005
00:44:43,390 --> 00:44:41,690
amounts of detail you know I'm extremely

1006
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:43,400
nearsighted I'm certainly not going to

1007
00:44:50,620 --> 00:44:45,050
see what somebody's got great vision

1008
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:50,630
sees so there isn't wit but we we sort

1009
00:44:54,910 --> 00:44:52,490
of like to assume it's almost like we

1010
00:44:57,550 --> 00:44:54,920
have this common understanding as human

1011
00:44:59,849 --> 00:44:57,560
beings when we talk about red it really

1012
00:45:01,630 --> 00:44:59,859
looks like this well somebody who's got

1013
00:45:05,530 --> 00:45:01,640
colorblindness they're not going to see

1014
00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:05,540
the same shade at all so it's it's a

1015
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:07,369
common language but it's very very

1016
00:45:13,810 --> 00:45:09,650
misleading our senses really are much

1017
00:45:16,270 --> 00:45:13,820
more mysterious and much more they're

1018
00:45:19,660 --> 00:45:16,280
more subtle than we give them credit for

1019
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:19,670
hmm and you know we talked we're getting

1020
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,050
kind of down to we got like five minutes

1021
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:23,359
left but we talked about doing a couple

1022
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:24,710
tests on the air and I don't want to

1023
00:45:27,579 --> 00:45:26,330
really put you on the spot too much but

1024
00:45:32,050 --> 00:45:27,589
is there something that you think would

1025
00:45:35,890 --> 00:45:32,060
be applicable over the phone yeah I I

1026
00:45:38,980 --> 00:45:35,900
have three things for use all right so

1027
00:45:43,450 --> 00:45:38,990
what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna hold I'm

1028
00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:43,460
gonna hold them one by one okay and hang

1029
00:45:50,270 --> 00:45:45,990
on I'm gonna get the first one Oh

1030
00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:50,280
okay so all I want you to do because now

1031
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:54,510
I have this item in my hand and I just

1032
00:46:01,660 --> 00:45:57,330
want you to without any kind of you know

1033
00:46:09,380 --> 00:46:01,670
prejudgment or anything try not to think

1034
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:09,390
alright let's try to let in other words

1035
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:11,460
don't go to the information allow the

1036
00:46:16,990 --> 00:46:14,850
information to go to you and if you sort

1037
00:46:20,420 --> 00:46:17,000
of close your eyes and you just try to

1038
00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:20,430
allow your imagination or try to see if

1039
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:25,710
you use seeing try to imagine what this

1040
00:46:31,340 --> 00:46:28,020
object you don't have to say what it is

1041
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:31,350
that's another big clue but you describe

1042
00:46:38,650 --> 00:46:33,210
it and whatever way feels comfortable to

1043
00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:43,250
what's the r is it something cylindrical

1044
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:49,020
kind of like a pen yes it has a yes that

1045
00:46:58,910 --> 00:46:50,160
type of shape

1046
00:47:03,590 --> 00:46:58,920
yes huh is it a remote control it's not

1047
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:03,600
a remote control hmm but it has if you

1048
00:47:11,540 --> 00:47:07,170
were working on an auditory level with

1049
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:11,550
the sound of remote control it would be

1050
00:47:15,830 --> 00:47:12,240
similar

1051
00:47:20,540 --> 00:47:15,840
gotcha unlike a microphone not a

1052
00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:20,550
microphone hmm it's weird I'm very

1053
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:24,390
untrained not know that's it's you doing

1054
00:47:28,130 --> 00:47:26,400
you're doing great you're doing great so

1055
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:28,140
far yeah I just have the imagery of

1056
00:47:38,410 --> 00:47:31,530
something kind of long like a pen or a

1057
00:47:42,980 --> 00:47:38,420
microphone see if you can find another

1058
00:47:45,620 --> 00:47:42,990
sense on it another sense the words do

1059
00:47:48,980 --> 00:47:45,630
you get it do you get a color do you get

1060
00:47:52,970 --> 00:47:48,990
a dark color I feel like I get like a

1061
00:47:56,060 --> 00:47:52,980
black or a brown okay are you thinking

1062
00:47:58,730 --> 00:47:56,070
that or are you seeing that it's hard to

1063
00:48:04,460 --> 00:48:01,040
I guess you're telling me I'm probably

1064
00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:04,470
thinking it I think because before you

1065
00:48:08,180 --> 00:48:06,510
said is that a microphone and most

1066
00:48:14,420 --> 00:48:08,190
microphones are black so I think you're

1067
00:48:16,970 --> 00:48:14,430
thinking gonna be protected if some

1068
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:16,980
extent I'm kind of just like guessing

1069
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:22,730
stuff that's what it feels like right

1070
00:48:29,770 --> 00:48:24,930
you tell me when you're ready to give I

1071
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:29,780
ready to give up okay I'm holding a

1072
00:48:41,740 --> 00:48:39,090
long-stemmed red roses it cylindrical

1073
00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:41,750
like a pen right I was getting that long

1074
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:46,020
that long small like narrow kind of

1075
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:48,570
shape and that's interesting because

1076
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:50,010
when I was thinking remote control I

1077
00:48:55,460 --> 00:48:52,140
even thought about it like from the side

1078
00:48:57,650 --> 00:48:55,470
you know like the thin side I just so

1079
00:49:00,170 --> 00:48:57,660
that's interesting because I mean and of

1080
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:00,180
course who knows but there are an

1081
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:02,010
infinite number of possibilities that I

1082
00:49:04,820 --> 00:49:03,450
could have picked up and I could have

1083
00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:04,830
sent out I was like a rock like a

1084
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:08,040
paperweight you know is it a square so

1085
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:11,280
and you said remote control now this is

1086
00:49:16,420 --> 00:49:12,450
a rose

1087
00:49:19,580 --> 00:49:16,430
okay so auditorily you have the RO sound

1088
00:49:21,410 --> 00:49:19,590
that you that was coming through you

1089
00:49:24,050 --> 00:49:21,420
didn't interpret it I don't represent

1090
00:49:25,790 --> 00:49:24,060
the right way but it was once you start

1091
00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:25,800
working with that that's the degree of

1092
00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:28,200
subtlety okay that where you're working

1093
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:30,060
with when you're doing this this kind of

1094
00:49:36,140 --> 00:49:34,110
stuff it makes sense and the more

1095
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:36,150
feedback you get on it the better yeah

1096
00:49:42,770 --> 00:49:40,110
of course can we do can I can I hold an

1097
00:49:44,780 --> 00:49:42,780
object you can do whatever you like let

1098
00:49:46,940 --> 00:49:44,790
me because I mean we're doing things

1099
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:46,950
like that last exercise is my ability my

1100
00:49:51,350 --> 00:49:49,050
ability is awful

1101
00:49:53,660 --> 00:49:51,360
so let me try let me try grabbing

1102
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:53,670
something listen that's one thing that

1103
00:49:56,750 --> 00:49:55,050
you should not be doing is putting down

1104
00:49:58,970 --> 00:49:56,760
your nobility which is classic by the

1105
00:50:01,550 --> 00:49:58,980
way everybody does that there and you

1106
00:50:04,430 --> 00:50:01,560
have to stop that's really important

1107
00:50:05,870 --> 00:50:04,440
because in giving yourself permission to

1108
00:50:08,060 --> 00:50:05,880
do this kind of work which is really

1109
00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:08,070
hard because everybody wants to be right

1110
00:50:20,660 --> 00:50:17,240
you got to be really careful all right

1111
00:50:23,870 --> 00:50:20,670
all right I got something I'm holding

1112
00:50:28,370 --> 00:50:23,880
something am I supposed to do anything

1113
00:50:31,340 --> 00:50:28,380
special no you do especially your you're

1114
00:50:33,770 --> 00:50:31,350
holding something and as long as you can

1115
00:50:38,270 --> 00:50:33,780
edit out dead air I'm I'm fine with that

1116
00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:38,280
sir all right okay so here's a here's a

1117
00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:40,380
sensation that I'm having which I'm

1118
00:50:43,370 --> 00:50:41,700
gonna describe you

1119
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:43,380
I just looked at because I thought you

1120
00:50:49,550 --> 00:50:45,090
would ask me to pull up an object for

1121
00:50:52,750 --> 00:50:49,560
you I'm I'm feeling as though the image

1122
00:50:56,530 --> 00:50:52,760
of the object that I was about to

1123
00:50:59,840 --> 00:50:56,540
present to you is blocking it's

1124
00:51:05,750 --> 00:50:59,850
overlapping an image that I think that

1125
00:51:10,570 --> 00:51:05,760
you have but the so the image that I am

1126
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:10,580
getting is is sort of like a pyramid

1127
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:17,730
okay that's not too bad any other

1128
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:21,090
thoughts or feelings about this okay

1129
00:51:28,970 --> 00:51:25,530
hang on trying to see if I can figure

1130
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:28,980
out a practical application on it I'm

1131
00:51:35,090 --> 00:51:31,290
not even not getting I'm not getting a

1132
00:51:38,530 --> 00:51:35,100
sense of anything under the pyramid

1133
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:38,540
shape but to me I'm very focused on the

1134
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:44,720
the like the flatness of the sides and

1135
00:52:00,940 --> 00:51:49,410
the the point of it to me it feels

1136
00:52:09,340 --> 00:52:03,980
and I don't would be like stone metallic

1137
00:52:16,580 --> 00:52:09,350
something like that but but coal shear

1138
00:52:19,390 --> 00:52:16,590
no no texture on it okay that's pretty

1139
00:52:21,220 --> 00:52:19,400
good but in

1140
00:52:23,170 --> 00:52:21,230
terms of what it is at this one I

1141
00:52:24,670 --> 00:52:23,180
wouldn't I I don't know what it is well

1142
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:24,680
I picked something that I thought would

1143
00:52:31,539 --> 00:52:27,890
be pretty tough to get and what it is is

1144
00:52:35,099 --> 00:52:31,549
a little gift shop Statue of the Golden

1145
00:52:39,069 --> 00:52:35,109
Gate Bridge which has two huge you know

1146
00:52:41,950 --> 00:52:39,079
Peaks on it that are very pyramid and

1147
00:52:45,730 --> 00:52:41,960
shape there's two two triangles you know

1148
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:45,740
and you said you can't get a practical

1149
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:47,210
application because there isn't one

1150
00:52:54,730 --> 00:52:51,920
except you spend money and you know you

1151
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:54,740
said it's it's pretty untextured it's

1152
00:53:02,680 --> 00:52:57,440
it's pretty untextured it you said cold

1153
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:02,690
I mean it is it is metal I think that's

1154
00:53:06,849 --> 00:53:04,910
not bad I mean considering what I was

1155
00:53:11,950 --> 00:53:06,859
holding it seems a little bit difficult

1156
00:53:14,890 --> 00:53:11,960
to get that you know I I was I did an

1157
00:53:18,190 --> 00:53:14,900
interview in a another radio show and

1158
00:53:21,819 --> 00:53:18,200
the host was a a real diehard skeptic

1159
00:53:24,809 --> 00:53:21,829
and pretty much started out the the show

1160
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:24,819
well yes so yes say you're a psychic

1161
00:53:30,730 --> 00:53:28,609
well yes yeah so I don't believe in that

1162
00:53:32,620 --> 00:53:30,740
kind of baloney so if I were to I never

1163
00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:32,630
had an experience if I were to say to

1164
00:53:38,799 --> 00:53:36,049
you that you know you have a you have a

1165
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:38,809
14 year old son that'd be a bunch of you

1166
00:53:41,529 --> 00:53:40,010
know and before he can finish the

1167
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:41,539
sentence I said well actually he's

1168
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:43,910
thirteen and a half but thank you for

1169
00:53:47,710 --> 00:53:44,960
proving my point

1170
00:53:49,569 --> 00:53:47,720
and there was dead silence dead silence

1171
00:53:52,059 --> 00:53:49,579
they had a group in his studio a whole

1172
00:53:54,970 --> 00:53:52,069
bunch of like you know people in there

1173
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:54,980
who also contribute there was I you

1174
00:54:02,500 --> 00:53:58,130
could have heard a pin drop Wow whoa but

1175
00:54:05,579 --> 00:54:02,510
how would I do that again you know and

1176
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:05,589
the point is it's it's very subtle it's

1177
00:54:11,740 --> 00:54:08,000
difficult we don't quite understand why

1178
00:54:14,650 --> 00:54:11,750
it would work or it but if you allow it

1179
00:54:16,750 --> 00:54:14,660
allow the possibilities they increase

1180
00:54:18,789 --> 00:54:16,760
they don't decrease yeah I think it does

1181
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:18,799
have something something more to do with

1182
00:54:24,940 --> 00:54:22,130
an underlying phenomenon within our

1183
00:54:27,609 --> 00:54:24,950
existence that we just ignore then it

1184
00:54:29,859 --> 00:54:27,619
does about you know special people I

1185
00:54:31,930 --> 00:54:29,869
think that's kind of a big problem with

1186
00:54:32,890 --> 00:54:31,940
the field is that you know everybody's

1187
00:54:35,110 --> 00:54:32,900
like oh well

1188
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:35,120
like get people get really new agey and

1189
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,040
they're like moms I'm special and I

1190
00:54:41,380 --> 00:54:39,200
sense this and that and it seems a

1191
00:54:45,940 --> 00:54:41,390
little hokey too you know your average

1192
00:54:47,650 --> 00:54:45,950
member of American society and I think

1193
00:54:50,380 --> 00:54:47,660
that there's is there's too much going

1194
00:54:52,180 --> 00:54:50,390
on to ignore it all completely and your

1195
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:52,190
book does a great job of showing how

1196
00:54:57,940 --> 00:54:54,610
language and senses and all that is

1197
00:55:01,290 --> 00:54:57,950
there constructs and you you overlook

1198
00:55:03,370 --> 00:55:01,300
them and they carry with them certain

1199
00:55:06,810 --> 00:55:03,380
opinions that you might not even have

1200
00:55:09,550 --> 00:55:06,820
but you you they go with the language

1201
00:55:12,940 --> 00:55:09,560
yeah we it's you know it's a classic

1202
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:12,950
thing that you know you ask the fish

1203
00:55:16,330 --> 00:55:14,690
about everything in its environment and

1204
00:55:18,700 --> 00:55:16,340
it tells you about all the rocks and the

1205
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:18,710
plants and the other fish and completely

1206
00:55:23,980 --> 00:55:21,010
forgets to tell you about the water

1207
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:23,990
because that's you know that's what we

1208
00:55:29,590 --> 00:55:26,330
live in we live in the context of our

1209
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:29,600
language and it does shape the way that

1210
00:55:33,820 --> 00:55:31,610
we perceive things and I really I talk

1211
00:55:36,820 --> 00:55:33,830
about how actually they've done

1212
00:55:41,050 --> 00:55:36,830
scientific studies that show if you put

1213
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:41,060
a linguistic name next to a color for

1214
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:44,930
example it will change with the brain

1215
00:55:50,410 --> 00:55:47,450
which color the brain decides to call

1216
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:50,420
that color right that's a real creepy

1217
00:55:54,820 --> 00:55:52,880
thing too you think you got a you think

1218
00:55:57,100 --> 00:55:54,830
your eyesight is what you can trust over

1219
00:55:58,540 --> 00:55:57,110
any other sense and I mean it to an

1220
00:56:00,730 --> 00:55:58,550
extent you're still using your eyesight

1221
00:56:02,260 --> 00:56:00,740
but your brain processes the language

1222
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:02,270
before the color which is what you're

1223
00:56:08,170 --> 00:56:05,930
trying to see exactly so people ought to

1224
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:08,180
you know lighten up a little bit on this

1225
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:11,210
stuff about well you know only we can

1226
00:56:14,770 --> 00:56:12,770
only trust what comes to us or our five

1227
00:56:17,620 --> 00:56:14,780
senses green it's best to just be

1228
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:17,630
open-minded but you know that pretty

1229
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:20,000
much brings us to to the our you know

1230
00:56:23,860 --> 00:56:21,920
thank you so much for coming on the show

1231
00:56:25,090 --> 00:56:23,870
I had been trying to get a psychic for a

1232
00:56:27,610 --> 00:56:25,100
while but I was having trouble getting

1233
00:56:30,190 --> 00:56:27,620
anyone I think if the show was called

1234
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:30,200
showers of light or Kundalini rising

1235
00:56:33,460 --> 00:56:31,850
they'd have jumped at it but I

1236
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:33,470
appreciate your willingness to have the

1237
00:56:37,810 --> 00:56:35,650
conversation in your book is excellent

1238
00:56:42,130 --> 00:56:37,820
where can people keep up with you and

1239
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:42,140
what you're working on next yes so the

1240
00:56:45,130 --> 00:56:43,370
name of the book is psychic intuition

1241
00:56:46,820 --> 00:56:45,140
everything you ever need to ask but were

1242
00:56:48,860 --> 00:56:46,830
afraid to know

1243
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:48,870
like anybody can find me on my website

1244
00:56:54,500 --> 00:56:52,130
which is the skeptical psychic comm and

1245
00:56:56,420 --> 00:56:54,510
in terms of what I have coming up on my

1246
00:57:00,200 --> 00:56:56,430
goodness may my schedule is going crazy

1247
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:00,210
and I'm doing tons of book signings a

1248
00:57:08,530 --> 00:57:04,050
lot of Barnes and Noble stores that I'm

1249
00:57:11,090 --> 00:57:08,540
you know doing signings and lectures in

1250
00:57:12,530 --> 00:57:11,100
in fact if anybody there's a lot of

1251
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:12,540
stuff going if anybody wants to know

1252
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:14,220
absolutely everything is on my website

1253
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:16,770
this typical psychic calm they could

1254
00:57:21,110 --> 00:57:19,770
take a look perfect and uh one last

1255
00:57:23,690 --> 00:57:21,120
question do you have any advice for

1256
00:57:26,030 --> 00:57:23,700
someone who may have listened to this

1257
00:57:28,070 --> 00:57:26,040
and be thinking huh I'd like to kind of

1258
00:57:30,170 --> 00:57:28,080
kind of give it a shot and they want to

1259
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:30,180
go see a psychic now there's a lot of

1260
00:57:33,380 --> 00:57:31,920
obviously there's a lot of frauds and a

1261
00:57:35,450 --> 00:57:33,390
lot of people I mean in capitalism

1262
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:35,460
that's gonna happen I mean we we reward

1263
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:39,570
trickery so if you have any tips so if

1264
00:57:42,890 --> 00:57:41,040
someone doesn't have a bad first

1265
00:57:46,790 --> 00:57:42,900
experience it turns them off how can you

1266
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:46,800
track out someone who's a little more

1267
00:57:53,060 --> 00:57:50,010
serious how can you weed out a fraud is

1268
00:57:54,740 --> 00:57:53,070
there any simple way or any client know

1269
00:57:57,110 --> 00:57:54,750
what unfortunately I don't think there

1270
00:58:00,070 --> 00:57:57,120
is a simple way I wish there were and

1271
00:58:03,290 --> 00:58:00,080
and also I know many extremely talented

1272
00:58:04,790 --> 00:58:03,300
psychics and mediums who are terrible

1273
00:58:10,670 --> 00:58:04,800
when it comes to understanding just

1274
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:10,680
basic human psychology so I would think

1275
00:58:14,930 --> 00:58:12,000
that the first thing you want to go with

1276
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:14,940
go with somebody that you feel you you

1277
00:58:19,250 --> 00:58:17,040
have a really good rapport and a trust

1278
00:58:22,850 --> 00:58:19,260
with without giving all your power away

1279
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:22,860
never do that but in terms of finding

1280
00:58:27,980 --> 00:58:25,010
somebody of their they're not licensed

1281
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:27,990
you can go by word of mouth if you know

1282
00:58:31,940 --> 00:58:29,490
somebody's accurate but make sure that

1283
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:31,950
they're kind human beings I think that's

1284
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:32,910
really important too

1285
00:58:37,970 --> 00:58:35,610
and check out the Yelp reviews good

1286
00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:37,980
stuff Nancy thanks again you've really

1287
00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:40,110
broadened my understanding of psychics

1288
00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:43,110
and it's been a real pleasure thank you

1289
00:58:47,090 --> 00:58:44,460
so much for having me I really had a

1290
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:47,100
good time there it is folks Nancy new

1291
00:58:50,420 --> 00:58:48,330
territory Oh check her out at the

1292
00:58:51,950 --> 00:58:50,430
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